Top 10 Reasons Men Are Scum

You are sooooooo right! Men are scum! I am of the opinion that men are ALL scum. In the Bible it states that men are NOT to lust after a woman other than their wife, even in their thoughts. For one thing, we women are NOT told that. Men have some kind of defect and we women ALL know that. I am learning to live my life without them for it is either heartbreaking while you are with them, or possibly heartbreak after you break up. What is the difference??? It is all heartbreak because they are extrememly defective. If you are a woman and reply to this saying that I am incorrect... then the only thing I can say to you is... YOU HAVE NOT LIVED LONG ENOUGH TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH. I have! Good luck, sisters! You will need it if you have or plan to have a man in your life. Your bud Hannah

Sooooo Hannah, how old are you and how much experience do you have in that time that guides you to your conclusion? You're what, 22, and you've gotten to know 3 billion men or so? Aren't you being a little on the delusions of grandeur side when you can say what every man is like, and what every woman KNOWS (all caps, of course)?

And don't be draggin' in the Bible to prove a point, especially about women.

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjigation. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." Timothy 2:11-15

And that's one of the milder ones. I've listed them all, we'd be here for a long time. Genesis pretty much blames Eve for all the world's shittiness.

Sorry that you're so angry at the male gender. But we've hardly got the monopoly on heart-breaking.

Yep. I admit it.

I'm scum. I think about sex constantly. I like sex. I enjoy spending time AWAY from my girlfriend sometimes. I'm a huge eater, and never gain a pound for doing so.

Etc. etc. etc. Whine, whine, WHINE, whine, whine. Bah. Women are ten times more insane than men could ever be. Hell, you ladies complain about EVERYTHING. You even contradict yourselves with your complaints. You personally weren't able to go a full post without contradicting yourself.

First it's:

8 Violence can be more of a turn on than sex -- need I say the word "wrestling"?

Then, not half a computer screen later, you counter yourself with this:

1 Sex seems to be their only thought and/or purpose in life, and they're just fine with that.

All I have to say is that if women put HALF the amount of time and effort into being understanding of male faults as men do of female faults, they'd be much better off. Sadly, women are much more concerned with "fixing" men than they are with actually understanding them. (Is it just me or does your typical woman's obsession with "fixing" her man cause anyone else out there to shiver a little?)

A typical woman will make absolutely no effort at all to try and share her man's interests, or be forgiving of his imperfections and faults. Instead, she somehow feels that she must ruthlessly and tyrannically transform her boyfriend into her supposed "ideal male". These are the women who spend their entire lives unmarried and unhappy.

I've met, and unfortunately dated, a lot of women like that.

My current girlfriend (one whom I am quite satisfied with) has managed to learn the important lesson that if she allows me to be imperfect and faulty, then she gets a lot more sympathy and understanding back when she messes up. Take a lesson.

Val out.

I've heard nearly every feminist argument there is about how unnatural heterosexual relationships are for women, and how a woman can only be truly happy and free, both emotionally and sexually, in a lesbian relationship. Every time I have listened carefully to the arguments, thought them over, and when I disagreed I responded with arguments for my own points of view to the best of my ability, and I started on this comment with the intention of doing that once again. Then I realised that I can't, that there are no arguments for me to counter.

There is only an outburst of emotions it would never occur to me to ridicule, but not a shred of an argument to defend the statements that all men are scum, and that all men are inherently defective, and the only thing they ever do to women is hurting them.

These statements are still as weak as the first time I heard them, five years ago.

Men are not perfect, neither as individuals or as a whole, but neither are women, and men do not have a monopoly on heartbreak or domestic violence. Women may want them to, but turning a person into a scapegoat does not automaticlly make him guilty as well. Not even if he is a cheating and selfish ex-boyfriend.

On a related note, a sociology professor in Philadelphia conducted a study on lesbian violence about ten years ago, and wrote a book about her findings. (Claire Renzetti, "Violent Betrayal: Partner Abuse in Lesbian Relationships", Newbury Park, California: Sage Press, 1992, for those of you who may be interested.) While I don't think it is any worse when a woman abuses her partner than when a man does the same, it's a great shame that the victims of lesbian violence are being over-looked by media and by the debate on domestic violence. No one speaks up on their behalf anywhere, because the abusers are not "socially conditioned males, taught by the partriachy to oppress and abuse women" - words far too many feminists today use when they are going to describe men as a gender. The feminist doctrine that men are first and last violent and aggressive, while women are nurturing and caring, is contradicted and shredded by the very existence of lesbian violence, and therefor most feminist women today either ignore it or are willfully ignorant about it. By that, they betray the lesbian women they call sisters.

If men are scum, what does this make us?

Mimsy,
woman, from the coloured hair on her head to the toes of her high-heeled boots

Men are scum? Yup. Women are scum? Yup.
People suck? Yup. 9 out of 10 do a diservice to the oxygen they consume.

Men are better? Nope. Women are better? Nope. People suck. "people" meaning just about everyone, "suck" meaning that they take without returning.

Hannah: dont shut-up or ever let anyone make you do so,
but REALLY try to take a comprehensive look at issues before you comment on them. If you plan on singling out a group make sure that others do not share the traits you single them out for or you will only deepen the problems of dual-standards and hypocricy.

<3
REVSCRJ

I can't see how anyone could agree with you on this issue. Whoever did believe you, has got shit for brains.

Hey Hannah, Get a life.And tell your friend Samantha to get a job.

Get a life you dikes.

i disagree not all men are scum not even most of them and i hope that you dont think that way of your father cousins grandparents potential future hausband or even potential if not now maybee future son

All I can say is thank god for violence towards women.

Goodness me, what a frightful, venomous hatred you have.
Such hurt must be making you so bitter... it must be sad to be so bitter & venomous towards the male of the species. I am male, and i am not entirely alike to your 10 points. I have my faults, no doubt. But im also certain that judging by your distaste, you too have many faults that are currently not being nurtured. Perhaps you should give a few men a leathal injection to help you back to full mental health? or maybe just kick a line of awaiting men in the balls, to relieve your anger and hatred? Or, i hear that penis stomping is a good way of venting agression for those suffering envy. To obtain maximum damage do be sure it's fully erect and tied tightly around the base to ensure it doesn't become flacid after the first couple of stompings though. Also fingernail tearing is another punishment to maximize pain, though i think you would probably get better satisfaction by the leathal injection or cock stomping sessions.

After you've administered your punishment, do you think you might feel better?

I happen to think men fault's are sometimes sexy, so yeah...and anywayz us girlz suck too, so just stick with it and live with it, k? Quit trying to shove everybody down and get a damn life.
*kisses

Listen all of you who are bashing each other, like a whole bunch of little kids. Name calling and stuff like that is getting you no where. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if women believe men are scum then so what? all of you people don't know what Hannah has been through so you can't judge her what so ever. I know I have been through a lot of crap with men and I feel like hannah does most of the time. Men do suck and we really shouldn't let that get to us. Let's quit arguing about it and just provide our own opinions. Yes, I do believe men are scum and if you want to bash me like the little, immature children that you are, go ahead. Whatever makes your shallow, hypocritical minds feel better. Girls, we really don't need men despite the thoughts everyday of that wonderfully romantic guy sweeping you off your feet like in the movies. Sorry ladies, that guy doesn't exist and never will. ok, I'm done, bash away.

It seems to me that the whole problem here is that chicks don't actually like guys, and guys don't actually like chicks. After all, if I liked chicks, I'd go get me some. But I don't like chicks, and not because of any sexual preference, but because they all don't like me. Whatever it is that I am isn't what they're looking for, and whatever it is that they are isn't what I'm looking for either. Occasionally, I get together with one to see if she is what I'm looking for, and it's always been the case that I've never found this. But then I have to wonder, "well, what am I looking for?" And I have no idea. I think I'm looking for chicks, but I'm not, I'm probably looking for the cover of a magazine or something. But I can't possibly do anything I would want to do with a chick with the cover of a magazine, so I must have missed the point somewhere along the line.
What's the point here? Find out what you want before you get pissed at someone else for not providing it to you. Then, find out if that person can provide it to you. Besides, anyone who's nice enough to actually provide these things must like people enough to provide said things - so if you go about proclaiming that you don't like guys, chances are, you're not going to meet any guys who actually do like chicks because you don't look like you'd do the guy any good. And if that isn't yet indirectly offensive enough to us all, just remember that the only consistent feature of all your dissatisfying relationships is you (though blaming guys/chicks is a lot easier and more fun).

ok, i dont completely agree with the list and stuff, but seriously, some men are scum. like the sleazy fuks who stalk me around the train station just coz i'm blonde. like the guys in the park who spent almost an hour trying to look up our skirts. like the guys who are constantly whistling, calling out or just staring from their cars as i walk along the street. and most of them are like over 40. which is alot older than me. yeh, there are some great guys. but there are some intensly scummy guys too... so why dont you all just relax and get over it??? please??

men are biologically programmed to give a certain amount of love and then have sex, just like women are meant to receive it. You can't blame men for wanting sex, it is their purpose as part of self preservation.

Coming from a women’s point of view I have to disagree that "all" men are scum! Come on if you think about it, all women would turn lesbians all be single for the rest of there lives if "all" men were scum, don’t you think! I think that the women whom have commented on this web page, are the ones that most likely get the guys that are scum! Kath, I’m a white person living in a Muslim country called Brunei, and most of the men over here do that all the time. You just get over it and don’t let them get to you, It’s not like you have to go out with any of them or have sex with them! Men have a different way of thinking and so do women, people just have to learn that and expect it! Everyone is different in the world we live in and if we all thought the same, dam that would be a boring place! Men and women both should have equal rights and are in tilted to their own opinions!!!!!

Is your Daddy scum also? Is your Mother so low she had to resort to marrying scum to produce you? And then would that not make you 1/2 scum?

>...some men are scum. like the sleazy fuks who
>stalk me around the train station >just coz i'm blonde.

Yup. Our society (most of em at least) has trained men to measure their worth by either a)their money, or b)the amount of sex they get. Its not because you are blonde, its because you likely are at least a little pretty. THAT ALL IT TAKES for some- another notch is a "better life lived"! Dupes. Keep the men obsessed with chasing ass and keep the women obsessed with painting it. Voila! A blind and easily manipulated population.

>like the guys in the park who spent
>almost an hour trying to look up our skirts.

...wow, you hung out for an hour while some guys (plural...) were trying to look up your skirt? Paralyzed with fear? Quadrapalygic? If not, please send address.

>guys who are constantly whistling,
>calling out or just staring from their cars >as i walk along the street.

...yer from the Bronx? Rome? Mexico City? Rio? I dunno, here in California we have our fair share of genetic spikes and valleys and the only time I have seen that occur was in a)impoverished/uneducated neighborhoods of large cities where a beautiful woman was something better to look at that the chalk marks on the street, or b) when a woman was strutting (by this I mean walking w/ breasts pushed forward, revealing clothes, head high, aggressive eye contact, hip sway etc.) in which case she should not do as such unless she is willing to deal w/ the ramifications of it, unevolved as they might be those apes tend to be pretty predictable.

>and most of them are like over 40.

They know they arent going to get laid by you and thus they say EXACTLY what the 20-sumthin is motivated by when he approaches you. Keep that in mind next time you find yourself about to apply foundation, ask yourself "Is it really worth the time to impress THOSE dipshits?"

>intensly scummy guys too...

...agreed, but the whole equasion works out so that if you skim the gene pool you draw equal portions m/f scum.

>so why dont you all just relax and get over it???

When sex sells advertising stops working, when gender roles no longer exist, after we've burned the corpse of the last marketeer then it'll be a few generations after that.

>please??

Could you say that again all breathy like Marylin?
<3 REVSCRJ ('Stop- I meant "Monroe" not "Manson"- the mood's gone now ')

i agree with most of your list but us gals have our fault too....i say just ignor the bad and focus on all the good points of men!!!

I'm only 16 so chances are I'm wrong (or at least most of you will think I am), but what I'm seeing here is that it's evil when men to have a few flaws and hormonal problems. When a women says something about it she gets a medal and awards and a big "HURRAH! Another militant feminist on our side!" from the female population. But, when a guy says anything bad about a girl he is labeled a chauvinist, sexist, women-hater, etc. He may even have to go to therapy depending on who he says it to. Then because of what he did/said a women feels compelled to say something about it thus getting awards and blah blah blah for it, restarting the cycle that is our P.C. world. But then again, I’m probably wrong about all this.

What I dont really get is that everyone here seems to have completely missed the beginning sentence:
I wrote this list on a day when I was particularly mad with my boyfriend.

Sam wrote this article in anger at the useless lump of flesh she believed her boyfriend to be. Why waste time looking up facts and planning out arguments when all you want to do is piss off your boyfriend and work off a little steam? Its pointless, especially as there are no real facts for a gender war.

As for the men are scum, you are right, but so are some women. A good example of this is Ruth A. McMahon, who is a complete waste of space. She is a girl, yet is scum. There are loads of pieces of scum out there, its not just limited to males. But then everyone knows that anyway, so why worry?

Stay calm

Dave

Once again my girl Sue jumps into the fray and aids me by doing a counterattack.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/smumma6125/2003/06/02/

10 reasons why most women (I am saying most because it doesn't refer to all) suck.

10 - They always have those damn mood swings...like this one girl I know from Ramsus anyway, what a bitch. >:P

9 - They tend to steal other people's b/f away from you.

8 - They flirt way too damn much with person they are trying to get with.

7 - They giggle way too much in which they sound like a total idiot but yet people think it sounds "cute".

6 - They always misunderstand on what you are trying to tell them.

5 - They always think YOU are at fault..never them..oh noo.. (Had a problem like this with one of the girls).

4 - They are really fucking annoying when they throw crap at you, trying to get your attention when you are trying to actually study.

3 - They are moronic, and every single comeback that I have seen in a flame war was fricking lame and made no sense to me and to everyone else present.

2 - They worry about their looks too much or other people's looks or what people think of them instead of just being damn happy for who they are and those that are too happy and think that they are "supermodels" (Like Anna Nicole Smith..even though she was one..makes me wonder on who she bribed to become ones), turn out to be nothing less than ugly because of this vanity.

1 - They are obsessed with sex as much as men are, and some of them turn into femi-nazis because they want to use the men to blame their problems on because they can't seem to understand on why their body acts the way they do so it's automatically the "guy's" fault.

You are a wacko. Femi-nazi women like you create a lot of problems in this world, from your little article I can tell that there is not a man in the world who you can get along with. It's not any of their faults, it's yours. You are ignorant. Now I'm going to go get ready to watch the superbowl, not call my girlfriend, eat tons of food, think of violent movies, change to a new person around my guy friends, not fix anything until tomorrow, wear the same clothes I did yesterday, tell my girlfriend to wear clean clothes, watch porn, and think about sex (preferably while watching wrestling).....douchbag.

Well, Some guys DO say they have to spend quality time with their girlfriends, Some don't always eat like they're n a marathon.. Not all guys are into wrestling..but I agree.. Most guys do NOT know how frail a womens heart is , and it CAN be broken on a daily basis,.. But Look at it the other way, So can a guys' heart.. It seems harder for it to break but thats just what we see on the outside..Its a whole new world on the inside. Yes, they are a whole new person when its just the guys, but aren't we when its just the girls?.. And yes, they do procrastinate a lot..Not all guys change their minds all the time, although most of them do, I agree. But I disagree..Not all guys wear dirty clothes days in a row, thats gross. And for drooling over thin girls with big boobs.. We all know guys do that.. And for Sex...Most guys think about it 24/7 but not all guys are that bad.. which is good...just depends...

All the reasons samantha mentions of why men are scum are really little details that i think fall under the term 'quirks' that only some men have. (i don't know many men that don't wear clean clothes every day). the men who are really scum (and not all me are) are scum because of MUCH MUCH bigger reasons.

Girl, if that's all it takes for you to think a man is scum you really need to get off your pedestal cuz i'm sure you have traits that would drive some guys up the wall (we all have them).

for example, you write silly articles citing silly reasons that make men scum.

the men who are scum are the ones who lie, cheat, abuse, etc. if i guy treated me like a queen but ate really fast, i'd consider myself blessed.

So I guess wife-beaters were number 11 and didn't make the cut, eh? Oh well, too bad for them.

I can't argue, men are scum, but women are the maids who clean up after them. The worse you treat a women the more they love it. Low self-esteme, constantly doubting themselves and pretending that they want or need to be treated like a princess. Men are scum because women put up with us and allow us to misbehave. If we can get away with it we will, if we cross the line a thoughtless appology and women accept it like it was the deepest heartfilled sentiment that ever came out of our mouths. Men will stop being scum when women start leaving us, when they don't let me treat them poorly and leave men who beat them, abuse them or degrade them (how many times have you heard a women say "I know I shouldn't let him hit me, but I know that he only does it because he is mad, I know he loves me...blah, blah, blah". I hope women do turn the corner and never let another man treat them like scum, there are too many guys out there who would treat you like a princess. You just have to lower your standards, because really, your not that much better than us!

Way to stereotype. The problem here is with the women. Detail minded, let's have things my way, you forgot my birthday you don't love me, idiots.

that women were unimportant in their society. The men could have up to 12 wives and hundred something concubines. Women, were merely cooks, and mothers. You would not want to live back then. Luckily things have changed.

It seems that the female who decided to make this obviously has a bad judgement and choice when it comes to men....not all men are like that and i advise her to wisen up and get real when it comes to men. I personally know that their are good men out there. Yes, they have their faults and they make mistakes...but every human being does. Whats funny to me is that alot of females dont know how to keep a man let alone find a good one.
If you honestly feel this way about men then maybe the lesbian life would do you some good-lol! What also gives good men a bad rap is not only comments ive read on here but their are alot of no good men who screw things up for the good men out there. If you not happy with your past choices in men then maybe you didnt take enough time to see in that person what they may see in you also. And those are the exact same things why they was not connected or turned on by you. Stop being so hard on men in general...yes, they are creatures who screw up more than we desire but as long as the good out weighs the bad by far you really shouldnt complain...i mean really, if they try their best to deal with us when we are pms mode....give the guy a little slack cause we as females can be scum at times too. I doubt any female would get up on here and confess to the nasty-dumb-idiotic and egotistical things they may do or think about. Noones freakin perfect but i guarantee as long as your out look remains as it is now.....you arent going to find a good man any time soon......

I think all females in the world are just like viruses created to crash the harddisk of men.
Woooow!! i am from that kind of country where sex and wine considerd as sin, Having so much ethical values also ,Here i find many females (so called bitches !!) who run behind the money,and power...if you don't have these....oooof...you are deleted from their memory. The same thing happened with my friend ,who was a topper in the highschool..he fell in love with someone..she flirted with him like anything..due to some own family reason he scored low grades, and went in to deep dipression...the same time Girl thought that he is usless ( because for this silly reson??) and when he returned back from the summer vacation he found that ,she got happily married to other guy!! he was actually herat broken...but he mananged to overcome that trauma...he thought this time he will find the right one..he got another goodlooking girlfriend..i think she also loved him ?.again next year he topped the higschool.But, that girls also was fake...one day he saw her with other guy in some stange condition...!!, this guy was so depreesed that he again become heartbroken...it was his second lost love...this time he doesn't recoverd from the pain...he lost intrest in life...scored very poor in acadamics....didn't get any employment for 3 years and he was not recoved from the shock...That time only that second girl also got married...the news of her marriage was like hell for him, still he mananged to rise above his circumstances and managed to get a nice position in a MNC with handsome salary...now these both girls ready to dicth their own husbands, and reday to come to this guy . Hmmm...can he believe them ?. Thats why i say Girls are just like this don't take them serious.

Yeah.. maybe those of the male species don't exactly cut it with those of the opposite gender all the time. But so what? Besides, it's not like you aren't shallow yourselves. After all, it's a well known fact you'd dismiss a guy who didn't have a lot of money and doesn't pamper you to death, who wasn't "cute", who didn't drive a fancy car, who didn't share the same interests as you, who didn't meet any of your lame standards. You whine, and complain and complain, and usually about the stupidest shit, like how men leave the toilet seat up. I mean, what's up with that? Or.. when they don't pull out your chair for you or hold the door for you. The list goes on.

Two words: Men suck

Thats all I need to know. I'm tired of bothering with them, just as much as there tired of bothering with me.

They want pussy, I want someone to hold me. Need a say more?? Except maybe I should just become a lesbian.

:(

want pussy too.

Well, maybe its cuz i am breaking up with my girlfriend (wasn't either of our decisions, i think her alcoholism and drug addiction made the decision for us) i feel compelled to revise that list, because, indeed, all humans are scum. especially the self-righteous, female ones:

Top 10 Reasons Women Are Scum:

10 The words, "I can't, I have to spend quality time with my boyfriend" are not in their vocabulary.

9 They must not eat at all -- yet demand expensive dinners out that they dont touch and then fester in the fridge because they wont eat them...EVER.

8 Violence can be more of a turn on than sex -- need I say the words "Law and Order"?

7 They don't understand that men's hearts are frail and can be broken on a daily basis, as evidenced by their propensity to constantly point out all of your shortcomings.

6 They become a whole other person when they're "out with the girls."

5 They never get anything done -- that's where we come in. And then they get upset when we dont snap to attention.

4 They change their minds more than men do boxers.

3 They try to look fabulous all the time, yet complain about how shallow men are and about all the attention they get on the subway.

2 They claim a man's figure means nothing to them, yet they insist on six of them in our salaries.

And the number one reason why all men are scum:

1 Sex seems to be their last thought and/or purpose in life, and they're just fine with that.

Somebody already made a top ten list for women. Check the previous comments in this same article.

Before you start trumpeting your mysandry, think about the reasons that women can be scum.

1. In my experience, rather than break up with their boyfriend that would rather cheat on him untill he finds out. You know that way if lover boy doesn't work out, they have their old stand by.

2. They bitch that men don't respect them. I don't know how many twelve year old Britney Spears wannabees I've seen at the local mall. It makes me sick. If you want respect, start by having some self-respect.

3. They say men don't understand them, though they make no attempt to help us understand. Also they have no desire to understand our point of view.

and last,

4. Mysandry and Radical Feminist propaganda like you've so kindly espoused here. While men walk on egg shells to not be labled misogynist, mysandry is widely excepted in pop culture. And if you don't know what mysandry is go to this site. http://www.fathers.ca/spreading_misandry.htm

Just because men are scum doesn't mean we should be lesbians...

Having a girlfriend means that you can't escape at clubs etc. because they can follow you into the restrooms! Believe me!

In any case, women are equally scum. All people treat others like dirt, let's get over it and look at the better things our women (or men) give us.

By the way, I found the article rather amusingnot really offensive at all. Some people appear to take things a little too seriously.

This IS a man's world, it always has been and hopefully won't always be. I think most men were guided as a child to believe that they are the dominant sex and they are ultimately better than females, therefore not respecting them and only seeing them as objects. Well, I am an 18 year old female, and I don't know what to think. First off I believe that most men are scums...I may think they all are, but I don't want to believe it. Maybe I'm decieving myself, but I am young still. I can live contented without the presence of a male. I know of the other fine things in life. I feel that women in the most part are scum as well. Many men believe they are better because of the Bible...well all I have to say is that men wrote the Bible...AFTER Jesus supposedly walked the earth. (dead sea scrolls were DURING and purposely hidden by man) Men are of course going to write things to make the centuries believe they're better...they had that opportunity. I'm sure us females would have done the same thing. I highly doubt God made men...then women as a joke. I also think that men are pushed to think that because women are constantly serving them. How? Well, for one, they strip, and degrade and exploit themselves constantly. This is wrong no matter how much they are getting paid to lose self-respect. Women may do it becasue they want approval from men because they feel they are infior. I know I feel that way sometimes. I for one, am a very independent woman with many interests, self-respect, and an open mind, among many other things. I do not feel the need to wear trashy clothing or look like a robot ( women look alike dress, act etc so do men) I am low maintenance, funny and smart. I am also told I am beautiful a lot. So why don't guys look at me talk to me or even be nice to me ? I am nice to them? Maybe it's because I'm not what men want. But I realize that, and I am living with that. From what I observe men can only be satisfied with a porn star looking/acting 'woman'. Well I'm real and would never get breat implants to please a man. I was born this way, this way I will stay. And not all women are into money. Why would I spend my money on breat implants when I could help an endangered species? Or maybe I could marry a rich guy, but I marry for love not money. I've seem to have lost hope that a guy will love, respect, and be happy with my appearance without wishing I looked like another woman. I love men who are funny..and I would choose Sam over Legolas or Aragon(sp?) any way (lord of the rings). But I can't find it. Also why is it that men these days are dressing like homosexuals..it's ok if u ARE? i wanna see real men who can work hard, be protective, dont take longer to get dressed than I do, and I can kick most guys asses. Sad. Most women like to talk about other women, dress stupidly, care about their nails and hair and talk and giggle like an idiot. OK. But thanks, bitches because now I've been labeled. Men, if there are males who are real men and know how to treat a woman and love a woman and be faithful...then you've got a bad name from many stupid 'men'. I'm sorry for that, but this is how life is..both (most) males and females are shallow, ignorant, hateful, self-centered, disrespecting individuals. That's sad and it's life...but I'm glad I'm not like them.
so there Both sexes Can be scums. But for women and men like me (if you're out there) need to find eachother and build a better world.

I'm a 22-year-old pregnant female from Hawai'i and, despite all the improvements open metrosexuality has brought I am personally still dissatisfied (and rather bored) with guys. I am now thoroughly convinced they're all greedy, self-interested, self-indulgent, thoughtless, inconsiderate meatholes. Period.

Firstly; Please Define Scum

Secondly; Excuse me if you alreaddy did...i skim read due to the simple fact that this report was the same as every other (and there are many) "Thesis" on why men are scum....

Assuming that the "scum" you refer to is the derogatory term used to describe filthy, indecent, uncaring and generally nasty beings I have a few qualms about your report.

On of these qualms is about the sweeping nature of your statement. You refer to men as a whole! Are you trying to make out that of all of the genre of men (excluding gay i assume, i make this assumption mainly because of female steriotypes - but i digress) that EVERY SINGLE one of them is "scum"?
Personally I do not think that somebody who is so closed minded, ignorant, or failing that - isolated - should even be allowed to publish something on the internet!

Or, in order to be really pedantic I could re-delve into the issue you bought up about sex.
Not ALL men are sex obsessed...some are, some REALLY aren't, and some are about as obsessed as the average woman. It is a very steriotypical view of yours to think otherwise - although this is forgiveable due to the media-stance on men (which points to us all being sex obsessed). Next; are animals scum? Not one human has even come close to having the same amount(and intensity) of sexual urges as most animals do. The desire for Reproduction, and therefore sex is in our genes, does this really class us as scum? Or does it just mean that men are less snobbish towards our primal roots? Which personally I think is a good thing, humans have dug too far up thier own posterior as it is...

I a well as many of my other male friends have long term relationships with our girlfriends and fiancees and I have seen love and affection shown for girlfriends.
To be honest the only people I see pushing aside thier partners are apes in liverpool football club t-shirts. So I do admit that SOME men are scum.

But your sweeping statement is very offensive to those of us who make an effort to make the women in our lives happy. People like you induce scummy qualities in men by creating and upholding steriotypes..

I will end here.
I hope you will take this more as a call to change your views rather than an insult.

I would also like to point out that feminism has lost its value; I fully support the fight for equal genderal rights. I dispise the fight for feminine elitism as this contradicts the stated original value.

Bedtime for me..
-Daniel Bassett (17) -Ilfracombe

I hate all men. No exceptions.

I know that there are women out there who hate men (i.e. feminists), I've looked around to see if I could figure out why. I was hoping for a legitimate reason for their animosity, that way maybe I could find ways that I and many other men out their could improve ourselves. But the majority of it all seems to only come from petty "Top 10 Lists" (or top whatever #) such as these. When I found this list I was unable to think of anything else but "What kind of fucking bullshit is this?!!!" Just about all this list consists of is spiteful slander the kind that I thought would only be ranted at a KKK cross-burning! "Eating like they're in a marathon?" "Violence can be more of a turn-on than SEX?" (Which is supposedly the #1 thing on our minds?) "Change our minds more than women do hairstyles?!!!" This list says that ALL men do ALL these and makes ALL men SCUM?!!!! OMFG, this is some of the most ridiculous load of lies I've ever had the misfortune to have seen in writing!! And there are women who consider some of this the grounds on which they feel they can freely attack men verbally (as we're seeing here) and physically! And this is the kind of thing that feminists encourage!

I've found through my research that "feminism" was never about liberating anybody, but a fascist ideal based solely on lies, exaggerations, and half-truths! And they do it all for what? MONEY!!! Feminists profit from demonising men by falsely portraying men as SCUM!! HOW do they get money, by making no end of false accusations of abuse! And they don't care about the safety of women who might genuinely need the help or about the truth, they care only about getting as many "battered women" in their shelters as they can so they can pull more money from the government (I.E. your tax dollars) all while letting the real abusers go free and ruining the lives of the innocent! All of this under the guise of "equality" which to them means absolutley no differences between genders or even people, basically madness (http://www.newgrounds.com/collections/madness.html) and serves only to dehumanize everyone and pits us all against each other for the most minute of differences.

There was never anything wrong with men in general as this list implies, the real problem here comes from sheer greed, selfishness, and total lack of tolerance. All of which inevitably comes back to bite you in the ass. If the fem who wrote this list has or had problems in her life with guys or anything else, I don't feel at all sorry for her. If this is the way she and so many feminists out there want to portray men, then they deserve to die a slow, lonesome death.

GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE!!!!!!!

Firstly Adam i want to say that I agree with much of what you said in regard to certain non-equalist, self advancing sociopathic, agenda oriented scumbags... but i have to congratulate you on being able to speak out of one side of your mouth that applying the traits of this article to all men is so horrible while out the other you claim to apply traits and motivations to all feminists- not many people could do that, and even fewer with a straight face. Bravo.

Its about money? Well, duh. Over and above racism and sexism the biggest divider between people and communication is $$$. money is supposed to represent the work done to a value of its nomination, therefore money is in a way the storage of human endevor, the fruits of lives. whoever has it has a frozen potentiality waiting to be embodied. wherever a group is denied equal acsess to it, they will have less power (regardless of race, creed, sex, or religion). inately it is about power and options, but that translates into money in this world- as fucked up as that is. of course its about money. To say that it is only about momey for the sake of money and no higher purpose is mighty foolish and blind of you though. I dont doubt that there are/were some for who greed was the only motivation- look at the % of the male populace for whom that is true. but for godsake man, get a grip.
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yeah they always let you down and cheat on you they have no sensitivity and they always rip you! now im a selfconcious person myself and when my bf makes fun of me it makes me feel inadequate do i really want to be with men when all they do is treat you like scum? work it out for yourself!!!!!!

OK,i dont think it's fair to start accusing ALL men of being scum, although a minority do deserve the label. From my own personal experience, no two men are the same - they all have their personal qualities and traits. However, some men may have more / worse traits than others. I'm sure that "the top 10 reasons men are scum" was posted on a day when you were feeling very frustrated and hurt due to a man. Think back, I'm sure these feelings were caused by love originally. E.g. u love man x, but he goes and cheats on you. So there are definitely qualities in all men. Having said this, I know how sometimes it feels shattering when a guy mistreats you. A guy i know has been playing me on for months, building my hopes only to kill them slowly.Anyways, ive been babbling on about guys for way too long now.

Just remember if you give up on guys completely, you'll never find someone who loves you for you. And im sure we women have terrible traits too!!

this list is crap, personally it doesnt apply to me at all and not all guys are like that for the record

It is sad Hannah, that you have judged the entire male species on this asshole boyfriend of yours. Indeed, there are men who ARE SCUM. Paedophiles, wife-beaters, rapists, criminals in general - are USUALLY men. However, not all women are perfect - and I doubt you are too. I have a wife of 13 years and 2 beautiful daugters. I HAVE BEEN FAITHFUL & loving for the entire period. I have REJECTED many offer of sex from other women (Who KNEW I was married) and I never wolf-whistle other women, or stare at their breasts or flirt with other women in anyway. I worked my butt off to get us out of a concrete hellhole and buy a small house. I am a romantic and sensitive man. Yes - I like sex, but I DO NOT expect it daily, nor would I make sexual demands that my partner would not be happy with. I do all the housework and I do all the 'man' jobs around the house and the garden. I would lay my life down for any of them willingly. I have gotten into fights because my wife is a large lady - and I won't have her slagged. And what have I gotten back? The distinct possibility that my wife is having an affair. How do you think that makes me feel? I saved my virginity - for that one 'special' person - because I did NOT want to slag around - and what have I in return? Think, now of what my future may be like. I could lose my house and the custody of my kids - and I didn't do anything wrong. Still, all the feminists of the world would blame this on me - for being a man. I'm probably not attentive enough - would be their excuse for this outrageous behaviour. I don't drink or smoke, I have never taken drugs and I weight train once per week for an hour or two. What more can men do? How much further and how much more blood do we have to give before you will compromise back?

ALL men are not scum. I am insulted that you have judged us all in this manner. And all women do not sh*t lavender either.

If truly all the 'men' you ladies have dated are worthless people, maybe you 'ladies' should consider the possibility that maybe that's the type of 'man' that you actively seek out. Nice guys finish last. The main 'quality' that women look for in men is pure type-A (as in 'asshole') alpha behaviour, which you confuse with confidence. When you bitches actually meet a guy who is thoughtful and sincere, you write him off as a wus. You bitches picked the bed you lay in; lay or go away. You have no valid grounds for complaint.

Most guys will agree that this list really is a load of garbage (and maybe the author of it is full of shit). I just want to say that the biggest problem with it is #7. You would have to assume that in this day and age, with fems thinking this way about men, that their is a female somewhere with a heart.

BTW, it is true that feminist make money on false accusations. Just look at this.

http://www.fraternizing.org/cgi-bin/D.PL?d=frater.a.batpak

SomeGuy, throughout history, several different individuals and groups of people have made false accusations and lies in order to make themselves richer at someone else's expense. Feminists are not the only ones at fault. Isn't that right, Mr. President?

And as for thinking that there "is a female somewhere with a heart," I offer you this advice: the best way to a woman's heart is through her uterus.

"A typical woman will make absolutely no effort at all to try and share her man's interests, or be forgiving of his imperfections and faults."

Come on now, get real! This could be said for the "typical" man as well, and if you don't believe that is true then you are in deep denial. Most men don't put in any more effort of sharing interests and if they may SEEM more forgiving of faults it is because inside they don't really give a sh*t, not because they are better at it.

Hi there,
I just would like to say that although after breaking up with my boyfriend a few months ago I would of read this article and laughed and agreed with you.for a few seconds. I really doubt it now that all men are scum.. yes We might have bad luck or send off bad messages to attract these type of people but when it comes down to it, I am a loyal girl, my best friend has never been faithful to any of her boyfriends; i have five brothers who are excellent role models, and I am not going to give up believing that there are good people out there. There are awful men, and awful women out there, If you really feel that men are that bad and not worthy; then why are you writing an article on the subject? If you are going to continue to portray such negativity and narrowness towards men then all you will seek and find is scum. Being angry wastes too much energy. have fun and good luck

mel

Bubba's got it just about right

Not all men are scum that is for sure. But when one lousy bastard screws you over, it sure can feel like it sometimes.
Men are the same as women in the way that they make great friends and are wonderful people, but their different outlooks on things make them somehow different from women. Sometimes girls can forget that just because one prick sucks it doesn't condemn the entire male species along with them. It can be hard to remember that men, like women, are all just individual people- some are nice and some are nasty. However in our sadness and anger at being hurt it is far easier to simply label them all scum and be done with it. ...at least for a while, until we can find another nice guy who can redeem our faith in men once again.

When I read things like this list, which evidently are written with some sincerity, it really makes me wonder about whether we will ever live in a truly equal society. Feminists have been crowing for years about the oppression of women, the discrimination that they faced, etc., and all the time have painted women as helpless and harmless victims who just want to be equal. But when I read things like this "top 10 list" it really makes me wonder whether it will all be possible at all because of women, not men.

Samantha:

As Bubba said from the getgo, you attract losers and assholes. Perhaps this is your way of reaching out to guys that remind you of your father; we should have had your mother weigh in on the subject.

Poor Hannah must be reeling from all this harshness. I'm pretty certain her list of scumerology was meant as a harmless joke... and I, Hannah, find it funny. Your mistake was in adding the statement, "Most people agree with it." That was overkill, and in bad taste. As for #10) All they're interested in is sex... and they're just fine with that. Well, hallelujah! Long live those scummy bastards in all their violent, gorged-out, insensitive, uncontrollable, gross, selfish glory. Gotta love' em. I'm pretty sure Hannah is with me on this (if it's a good day with your b/f).

I have a suspicion that most of our opinions would change if we all lost our sexuality and biological attraction to one another....Most probably already know this, but im so proud I thought up of this all on my own.

Kik azz I got another one! After carefull and genius examination of her article, I have deducted that she is merely venting out anger against her boyfriend.
I'm a frickin genius.

I came across this site while looking for a place to list assholes women, I, have been involved with. Just a whim, surely of no real value except to the person who posts, just wanting to make public something that happened a long time ago, not big on my mind, but comes up once in a while. more later,

last post was just a test, w/o reading all 62 articles, I might venture that everyone is right, at least partly, in that everyone is telling their own truths or experience. (unless they are simply exhibiting defensive behavior- if someone calls you an "asshole" agree with them, that defuses them)
With out trotting out tons of platitudes, etc. I would still like to start a list of "men who are assholes", mostly just to vent. Mostly "just for fun".

One in particular, R.W. One of his strategies, so to speak, was to cite, "I am not worthy of you", (well he turned out to be right), but I was supposed to say, "yes, you are" the old co dependency, enabler ploy. It worked for a while, then later, it was, "You just think I am an asshole, anyway". A vulgar attempt to get my to lower myself to his level, whatever that level was. Or was I supposed to say, "yes you are, or no, you're not"? I find the term "asshole" to be juvenile and vulgar, but sometimes it feels good to say it.

This person needed someone to blame and it often came down to, "if it's not my fault, then it must be yours". Some people do have a real need to blame, NOT take responsibilty for their part or see their part in the dynamics.

He isn't really the one I was actually angry with. It was a just a rebound thing, he is/was just a place to focus, think about, some frustration about my own behavior and choices.

But neither do I blame myself. I did at one time, but the blame was not around this particular situaion, it was another far more complex one. It is easier to simplify a situation by looking at another one that holds less power over one self and simply apply a label or blame someone.

The blame game. Have you ever heard of "blame, shame"? Anyway, here I am trying to sound sage and experienced. Experienced for sure, "sage", who knows? I am a grandmother, in my second marriage. A good and friendly one. Many of the posts by women here remind me of things I wrote in my journal when I was 20, 25. Anyway, its Sunday and I am musing.

But if women start a list of men who are assholes, then men get to make their own list? Or people making a list of other people who are not worthwhile.

There are real sociological, gender issues at play here. There is really such a thing as "male perogative and priveledge", as long as we allow it or perpetuate it. As an educator and parent of an adult daughter, I would like to ask you what part have you played in educating others, yourself, if you are intersted in remaking society? Or is it easier to just hide out behind a mask or defense of some sort? No blame. Ironcial that I found a good person to be with when I wasn't looking, when I stopped feeling needy and damaged. A word about this, when one feels damaged or needy one finds partners who are unworthy and inadequate, or let's just say, bad for you.

Oh, it's more fun to be nasty and say the guy is an asshole.

Men are scum. they only care about their own needs and they use your feelings against you to satisfy their selfishness in every aspect - from sex to using your kids against your emotions.

I am not scum!!
I do think about sex yea but it doesn't run my life. I CARE about women and their feelings,but sometimes it gets to be too much and i need to hang out with just guys.Less stressful that way.

i kno they rnt u ppl

Hmmm, I just think women like to complain more than guys do that (^_^)

(Guys have frail hearts too, if only women would understand that relationships are supposed to have sacrafices on both sides, it would be easier ^_^)

If women shut their mouths more often and were seen and not heard, they might find their life would inprove. I know mine would

I disagree with women that ALL men are scum. That is generalizing. Believe me there are are just as many women out there that can be mean and nasty too. Women and men are just different DUH. Women think more with emotions, men sometimes just don't plain think. I have never thought a man that I dated or broke up with as SCUM. They might be a jerk at times, but when a women says all men are scum, to me that is hurt coming out as anger. People hide their hurt with anger. They seem angry but really it is hurt coming out of their mouths. It's normal. People would rather be bitter and cold, etc. than to just forgive and move on. It's hard, I know it is very hard. But being bitter is a CHOICE. Do you really want to feel this way the rest of your life? Heck, life is too short and the only one that is unhappy is YOU (the angry person. Some men are scum for a lack of a better term that I can think of right now.

It's not easy after a breakup, in fact it is devestating. At least it was to me. I loved this man and still do, but I just knew I had to end it and even though I was the one that ended it, I hurt so much because I love him.

So ladies and men, think about this. In order to make a relationship work, how about sitting with your significant other and asking what their needs are. If you can't meet theirs and they can't meet yours, then what is the point? If you can come to some agreement, then there might be hope, but you have to be able to meet each other needs and when we do that, all can be good!! I bet you wonder how I thought of all I have written? I didn't think of it. A very good counselor explained this to me when I was going through a bad time during the breakup of my marriage!!! It's good advice, wish I had thought of it a lot earlier in my life. It would have saved me some hurt and pain. But life is full of hurt and pain and sadness and it's going to happen sometimes over and over and over and that is when you have to step back, figure out what you want, who you are, etc. and why this keeps happening to us in relationships? Sleepless

Pure misandry.

The words, “I can’t, I have to spend quality time with my girlfriend” are not in their vocabulary.

Except for all the guys I know who say that constantly.

They must eat like they’re in a marathon—ALL THE TIME.

Not in my experience.

Violence can be more of a turn on than sex—need I say the word “wrestling”?

So sex should be the most important thing on a man’s mind?

They don’t understand that women’s hearts are frail and can be broken on a daily basis.

Women don’t understand the same thing about men. Every time they shoot down a shy, humble boy who find them attractive and approaches them respectfully, they shatter a heart and add just a little to the world’s misogynist momentum.

They become a whole other person when they’re “hanging with the guys.”

In other words, they understand that it may be sensitive and considerate to modify their behaviour when they’re around girls from what it would be when they’re with other guys. Those monsters!

They never get anything done—there’s ALWAYS tomorrow.

They get some things done. Other times there’s finite amounts of energy to expend. This is true of all people.

They change their minds more than women do hairstyles.

So? Women say predictability is unattractive. Women also say constant mind-changing is a woman’s prerogative. Is it only OK for one gender?

They wear the same dirty clothes day after day, but expect a woman to look fabulous all the time.

Incorrect.

Everyone should look fabulous as close to all the time as is possible within reason—male or female.

They claim a woman’s figure means nothing to them, and then proceed to oggle slim girls with big boobs.

Physical attractiveness exists. Like all forms of aesthetic beauty, it catches the eye. It doesn’t mean a man who likes to look at slim women with big boobs will only date slim women with big boobs. A lot of other factors apply. A lot of slim women with big boobs have horrible personalities and if there were a way of having sex with them without actually having to be around them, men would take it.

Lookism is on the rise and women are just as guilty. Women say looks don’t matter, income doesn’t matter, but their choice of dates says otherwise.

The difference is that men will date below their ideal paragon of womanhood, while women won’t date men who have none of the misogynist qualities they say they hate, but also none of the physical and financial desirability they say doesn’t matter.

Sex seems to be their only thought and/or purpose in life, and they’re just fine with that.

Was this list written in the 1950s? Every (straight) man that I know today is terrified that the women he’s attracted to will think he’ just some horny pervert whose only thought is sex. One man in particular, my room-mate, who was born in 1975 and has grown up with feminism, has been made so paranoid about this that he refuses to even admit to himself when he’s physically attracted to someone. It’s always “She’s so multi-faceted” and “she’s so intelligent” and it’s just a coincidence that the more attractive a woman is, the more intelligent he finds her…and this is not him being deceitful; he honestly has been programmed to hate his own heterosexual impulses so much that he can’t even see that they exist.

After reading all the comments on this entry I just have to say that life is not worth it. Everyone I’ve ever met (of either gender) has hurt me. That’s it; I give up on everything and everyone.

all people are scum. just like someone just said, ive also been hurt by both people...yeah sometimes men can be scum...especially the god damn players, but then my theory backfires on me because women are scum too...cuz women are lil skanks sometimes too...then we got everthing else...whatever this is not making sence but everyone sucks.

Ok the thing i dont get is why do we have to think that ALL guys are scum? i mean yes there are ALOT of guys out there who are but not ALL guys are scum.....and i mean if we do think that then why the hell do we go out with them theres no point so if ur gonna write crap like that it was ur stupidity for going out with some guy u liked and knowing that u are taking a HUGE risk of getting hurt...maybe u should think before u act....and what if guys think that we're scum? huh.....maybe yall should think about how men feel and not just about ourselves.....cuz everyone has feelings and fragile hearts and mens feelings can get hurt just as easy as womens can and mens hearts can break just as easy and womens can....so think about how men feel before u write things that can REALLY hurt them and if u really think ALL men are scum....then turn lezbain...

they just can't a mit they love you

like why do guys have like to be like so mean I think that like the GOAL is to stick there toung down a many throats they can.

Christ on a crux- look at all the advertising! Look at the social conditionings! Look at the line sold to men starting at birth! First kiss, first fuck- they are hailed as rites of passage into manhood. Penis size and # of sexual partners had = how much of a man one is- and other such pointless neurosis-inducing crap. Basicly men are taught unspokenly that if they are not getting laid regularly then something is wrong.

Where does it come from? My conspiritorial side says: "The power elite trying to keep the general mass of males too distracted seeking sex to pay much attention to social evolution (which would unseat those powers)"- which, though true, isnt quite complete. I think it likely comes frome waaaaayyyyyy back when infant mortality was so high that women of any given pack SHOULD start birthing as much as possible from fertility setting in unto death and to make sure that the gene pool gets as much opportunity to mix as possible the males go around mixing with as many females as possible.

Not like that is an excuse, or anything.
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hello everyone!
to be honest i only came onto this website just so i cud remind myself tht it is ok to b single...and it didnt work honestly...i dont think men are scum tht is a complete generalisation and i wish i did think men are scum but their not..no girl can deny tht wen she is with 1 she does feel special ok there are some exceptions to this rule however this is with both genders and i would just like to defend the male race because alot of them r not scum just like females. thankyou. Hannah

Samantha,
Keenly anticipating your next Top 10 series: * Top 10 Reasons Black People are Scum * Top 10 Reasons Protestants are Scum * Top 10 Reasons I'm a Hypocrite et al. Your boyfriend is a coward if he cops this from you.

Women are only bitchy as hell because they've been treated like shit throughout %99.9 of human history.

I for one disagree because I myself happen to be a young man still growing up and I don't look at girls the way you say all men do, however I like girls because I think there nice and cute people to be around. Personally I think that you should reconsider what you are saying because you don't know us all like you think you do, and further more how would you like it if people like me were constantly calling you a scum because that's how I feel when people like you declare all people like me as such.

i know that hannah isn't right,but did you guys ever think of a reason why she say all that? ask yourself that first.

in mine opinion not all men are scum, i totally agress with you guys, but i not really following to what why you guys heard she say all men are scum then you guys get so upset and start yelling at her,

ok let think back into the day when slave arrive here, were all men back then are scum? if not tell me why, i will be coming back here 2 days later. if you guys agress to that then she does at least make a damn points that all men was scum once back in the day, and if you guys are not scum, tell me would it be right to yell at a lady? or you should sit down and ask her why she say that in order for you to answer her

type more later i'm lazy it 3 in the morning xD

i say that all of you are scum including me, because if you not a scum you wouldn't start making negative comments on other wouldn't you?

so why do most of us agress on one thing that boy or girl/ men or women how ever you prefer it, are all scum. ok my point it we all scum because we are swearing at each other and wanting to give each other the middle fingures? correct?

ok before you say a gender it scum, tell that to your parents first, then say it here.( that kind of stupid)

but if a girl here call a guy scum go tell your father that first.
and if a guy calling a girl scum go tell your mother that first.

if you can't, then can you say "you are right, men/women are scum"
(and i'm sorry for saying that ..)

beside you guys like 16 or older now

here is your manner anyway? didn't you parents taught us that?

it the words"i'm sorry, that you are right, we are scum, but you couldn't say that for all of us."

be the way didn't you adult know that

love you enemy, for what they tell your faults?

what you eat that will make who you are, what ever you feed to him/her will stay with him/her for the rest of him/her life.

try to reply for something i say and please yell at me, so i can try to improve on things, because nothing in the word are perfect that one thing for sure.

some guys may be scum but thats like only 25% alot of them are nice and i think this is funny but not true for all

For all you stereotypical women- Go suck a dik, and the next time you are on your back, think about this blog, lmao

all men are assholes they make you fell ugly and flat. any woman whon likes them is a fat ugly whore. if you stick upn for them you are just as slimy and worthless as they are

This is about men as women see them. I always think "men are stupid" posts or articles in the Times are weird, because they don't take into account men's overwhelming role in history. Probably because the people who talk about "men" and "women" in this loose way don't know history, philosophy, art - or anything. Therefore, we don't say: men like to cure diseases. Men write exceptional piano sonatas. Men helped make food easily available. Men are great at rock and roll. We say... stupid things about how men don't understand that women get their hearts broken.